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Controversial Themes

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At times the study of God’s word inspires controversy. This is not necessarily a bad thing. If we are really seeking the truth–and not merely to support a favorite idea–then controversy can cause one to think in terms he is not normally able to do. An opposing point of view, rightly stated, can open one’s mind to something one would never have thought about before. This is what the Apostles did in the first century. They created controversy by challenging the then current idea about the Messiah that he would come and make war with Israel’s enemies and make them the first of the nations, causing all nations to submit to him. This is only partially true. The Apostles preached Christ (the Messiah) crucified, but resurrected. It is **this** Christ who will cause or is causing all nations to submit to him through the Gospel. Below are other controversial issues, which the reader may find interesting and possibly challenging. I invite your criticism and / or support through your comments. Lord bless all who come here to read and think.

 

6 responses to “Controversial Themes

  1. Vlad

    April 1, 2014 at 19:03

    So basically, you are saying, that “good and evil” that Adam and Eve understood is not the concept of such (which they actually already had according to the amount God exposed them to), but rather the amount that they got on their own. Like a teen, who exposed himself to porn, rather then, being a husband, to intimacy with his wife. In this case, Adam and Eve became like God, who knew how to use intelligence to make evil (deceit). Obviously, God never lied, but He knows how to do so, how to abuse ingenuity of the mind (that He created) to do wrong. In this case, I think, that Gen3:22 says that Adam and Eve realized how to use their minds in the wrong way.
    Implication: Adam or Eve couldn’t just disobey God; they were perfect, meaning “reasonable”, such action would be insane, and God couldn’t make insane creation. It takes ingenuity of a perfect mind to lie. God didn’t punish Adam and Eve for disobedience. In Gen3:14 God blames snake (Adam) for lying, not Adam or Eve for eating. Going back to a teenager. If he disobeyed his parents, they would think “what’s wrong with this boy”? But if he twisted their commandment “not to watch porn” in the way that gives him a window of opportunity, parents would be more concerned with that.
    Conclusion: such set of actions couldn’t unravel with a literal snake without being self contradictory.
    Did I get understand you correctly?

     
    • Eddie

      April 2, 2014 at 04:13

      Yes, but you put it more eloquently than I did. I would just stress one point, which is: God is not so much concerned with mere disobedience, an act that is like pushing the envelope of liberty. That is wrong, but it isn’t meant to separate the child from the parent or us from God. Rebellion is another matter. The child who refuses to live by the parent’s wishes cannot be forgiven while he is in this state of mind. Reconciliation needs to take place before forgiveness is an option. Two who oppose each other cannot live together peacefully.

       
  2. Vlad

    March 29, 2014 at 19:45

    Greetings, Eddie. I haven’t written to you for quite some time. To catch up, I want to ask you a question I can’t resolve. Here how it goes:
    Gen3:22 says that Adam became like God knowing good and evil. But if he didn’t know that before, God couldn’t punish him, and since He did, that makes Him unjust. It’s like Catch-22.
    I think that the solution is somewhere where the serpent is Adam, and Adam lied to Eve which God didn’t tell Adam not to do. But I can’t phrase it to make it sound. What do you think?

     
    • Eddie

      April 1, 2014 at 08:48

      Greetings Vlad, and it is great hearing from you again. I have been slowing down of late in my blog, so I apologize for missing your comment for a couple of days. I don’t know why it didn’t appear in my email, which is supposed to warn me that I have a blog comment to reply to. Anyway, I’m glad to hear from you again.

      Genesis 3:22 tells us that man acquired knowledge that he was not supposed to have at that time. It would be like your 3 year old knowing how to use a gun before he knew the consequences, but Adam is not a 3 year old, nor is he immature, but the knowledge of good and evil was too much for him to assimilate at this point in his life.

      Some good people will disagree with me on what I’m about to tell you, but I just want you to be aware that what I say makes sense to me, but not to every Christian. The New Testament tells us that Adam introduced death into our race (Romans 5:12). Yet, I don’t believe this means that Adam introduced death into all of God’s creation, i.e. the animals too. Some good Christians claim world in Romans 5:12 means Adam introduced sin into the universe. I believe world means man’s system of things. For example, Mark 16:15 says the Gospel will be preached in the whole world and to every creature. Does this include animals? Another example, John 18:20 has Jesus saying he spoke openly to the world, and then he defines his term by speaking of the synagogues etc. In other words he spoke of the Jewish world. In John 18:36-37 he told Pilate he wasn’t the King over his (Pilate’s) world but he was King, nevertheless. In other words Jesus was saying he wasn’t competing with Caesar for dominion of the empire.

      Having said this I, I take Romans 5:12 to mean humanity, not animals. This allows me to interpret Genesis 2 differently than most folks would. When God brought all animals into Adam’s presence so he could name them, Adam studied their behavior in order to give them a proper name, because every time the Bible shows anyone naming a person or a thing, the name has significance; it tells something about that person or thing mentioned. So, Adam wasn’t merely spitting out names one after another. He studied their behavior and so named them. What God was doing was teaching Adam about good and evil, without Adam having to experience it himself. Adam notices the ferociousness of the lion and the wolf and the meekness of the lamb and the rabbit, and so was able to notice how terribly shocking and final death could be etc.

      There was nothing inherently evil about the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, but it was wrong for Adam to seek this knowledge on his own. Adam was made in the image of God and God was teaching Adam how to be or live like God, but Adam rebelled and wanted to make his own decisions based upon his own understanding. It wasn’t merely sinning, like we do with one another and afterward apologize and make up. Adam’s sin had independence in view. It couldn’t be merely forgiven. If civil war in a nation is forgiven, the nation would become two instead of one. God didn’t create the world so it could be split up into two. Unity is important, and reconciliation will occur, but only after man is able to see his mistake for himself.

      Genesis 3:22 represents God not permitting man to live forever in his rebellious condition. This is God’s prerogative; there is absolutely no sense of injustice here. Imagine the condition of the world if people like Hitler were permitted to live forever. Make no mistake evil is terrible and fearful, it takes great courage on behave of the more meek people to stand up and oppose it. If we had to do this forever against people like Hitler, I believe meekness would lose out. Death is a way to control evil and allow good character to develop and remain. Death is also an enemy that takes away wonderful people—it is both good and evil. But, this is the way man has chosen to learn.

       
  3. Vlad

    August 18, 2013 at 00:39

    The view that you and I have on demons, satan, fallen angels and such doesn’t allow aliens and UFOs to be not just from another planet but also spiritual beings. What is your opinion about this topic? Check this web site: http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm

     
    • Eddie

      August 18, 2013 at 07:34

      Greetings, Vlad. I don’t believe in spirit beings such as ‘Satan’ and ‘fallen angels’. I don’t believe Genesis 1 accounts for a time of rebellion before the creation of mankind. I also believe this traditional doctrine was taken from paganism very early in our history. It isn’t likely that we shall recover from such an untruthful doctrine in one generation of good teaching. It is too entrenched in our tradition.

      As far as ‘alien’ visitors are concerned, perhaps you would be interested in this video: “Aliens, UFOs and the Bible“. I don’t pretend to understand everything about the paranormal, but I do believe it isn’t wise to investigate too deeply into such things, unless one is called of the Lord to do so. I don’t believe I am. I had studied such things decades ago, and found myself wrapped up in its web of lies. It took divine intervention to get me out. There is ‘something’ to this stuff, but it is not what we think it is, and it is definitely not Satan and demons. That’s too easy an answer, and the Bible doesn’t support it.

      I hope this helps; Lord bless you.

       

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