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End Time Chronology Errors

Most folks look at the “End Times” as a period just before Jesus return to this earth. What about the ancient Jews? How should they have viewed the time before Jesus’ first coming? It is a fact of the New Testament that the Apostles believed that they were living in the end of the age or the “End Times”! Judaism taught that the coming of the Messiah marked the end of the age. The Bible speaks of many ages and with the coming of a new age, the end of the old is implied. For example, Noah preached about the end of his age, and he experienced the beginning of a new age and a new world. The age of the patriarchs began with Abraham and ended with the coming of Moses and the beginning of the age of the Law. Both Judaism and the Apostles saw the coming of the Messiah as the ending of the then present age. If this is true, then we need to understand the chronology leading up to the time of Christ.

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9 responses to “End Time Chronology Errors

  1. thenonconformer

    April 28, 2013 at 09:46

    It is really still very unbelievable that most posts, writings on the Chronology of End-time Events – Bible Prophecy are trash, crap INCLUDING 1948: THE FIRST EASILY RECOGNIZED SIGN OF THE APPROACHING END OF THIS AGE Why? The really important and interesting Question. Do we rely on GOD, THE BIBLE for our guidance, Knowledge? or on people, even the secularists? WHAT YOU SUSE TO INTERPRET THE bIBLE COUNTS AS MUCH AS WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT IT.. FOR A START..”Flee out of the midst of Babylon” (Jeremiah. 50:6). “My people, come ye out of the midst of her” (Jeremiah 51:45). Ever hear of this absurdity, as to “what the life was like for the Jews and others in Palestine at the time of Christ”? Especially when there are not even a handful of so called reliable historical documents even available to us today for this period for a start.. This shows some of the basic problems of why many away from the Bible History expositors are not being accurate at all.. There is no much written historical material available. Valid Scholars rightfully do want indisputable proofs, and we do not blame them. The fact is, we all have also been misled on certain important subjects in the Bible, over the years.; until we had made a closer examination…It is therefore, not a surprise that of the m,ore than 23 predictions from modern prominent Christians, that the World would end between January 2000 and today, alone….. none of them have actually come true? Why? Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-lies-of-the-false-Christian-Zionism-Movement/166907416793938

     
  2. Jason

    January 6, 2011 at 23:09

    Hi Ed, I jumped on your blog to see if I could find what you had written on the 2 witnesses in Rev.11 (this Sunday nights lesson) and happened upon this discussion. I wanted to comment on the topic of things being in order. In Rev11, for example, we have the first mention of the beast. We see he is making war with the 2 witnesses and yet he does not rise to power until chapter 13. Likewise in Rev14:8 an angel declares that Babylon is fallen, and yet she is not destroyed until chapter 18. I think when looking at prophetic visions God is not so much concerned with giving us a detailed chronology (by giving the visions in order) but with spiritual truths He wants us to understand. Not that I really see anything like that in Daniel 9. I had never read the LXX translation and yet if I were to paraphrase my understanding of the passage it would have been very similar. The only big diff I see in the passage (from the above discussion) is that I believe the Meshiac Nagid (Messiah the Prince) is also the “prince [nagid] to come”. In other words, I take the phrase “the people of the prince to come” as being the Jews. People=Jews, prince to come=Messiah. For one thing Gabriel was already talking about a coming prince (Jesus), I don’t see why he would unexpectedly throw in another coming prince. If this is the case it solves the issue of the identity of the one making the covenant with many for one week. (since there is only one prince to refer back to in the prophecy). But how is it that the Jews can be the “people” that destroy the city and the sanctuary? well, look at every sermon of Peter and most of Paul’s in the book of Acts. Although we all know it was the Romans that crucified Jesus, Peter and Paul cannot give a sermon w/out putting the blame on Jews. Likewise, although the Romans destroyed the city and sanctuary (and it was the roman armies, not the awkward “people”of Rome) it was only the result of the rejection of Messiah that Israel’s house was left desolate. This is a conclusion I have come to on my own and have not found support from other sources, although I think it is a valid option that solves other problems in the text for me. God Bless…now I have to decide if I get some sleep or find that blog on the 2 witnesses…

     
    • Eddie

      January 7, 2011 at 09:58

      Hi Jason,

      I hope you received my link to my studies in the book of Revelation. If not, here it is: The Book of Revelation.

      I wanted to comment on the topic of things being in order.

      Revelation has some chronological order, but it is a book of judgments and Jesus is revealed as Prophet, High Priest and King. The Prophet portion is dealt with the first six ‘seals’, while the the other two offices are revealed in the seventh seal. Jesus office as our High Priest is found in the first six trumpets, leaving the seventh trumpet and the final seven vials to interpret his office as King or Messiah. In this kind of interpretation we have some overlap. We also have inserts into the chronology that cannot be a part of the chronology of the office of Christ, but they are placed where they are to give meaning to what surrounds them. For example, Revelation 12 has a revelation of both the birth of Jesus on the Feast of Trumpets and his 3 ½ year ministry and battle with Satan. It also outlines what would occur 3 ½ years after his ascension into heaven. Revelation 13 is also an insert comprising the history of the captures of Jerusalem. We find this in the heads of the beast. It also reveals the False Prophet and inserts his entire life’s attack against the Messianic believers. So the False Prophet, though an insert, does not comprise as much time as the heads of the beast do. So there is a kind of chronology, but it isn’t strict chronology.

      In Rev11, for example, we have the first mention of the beast. We see he is making war with the 2 witnesses and yet he does not rise to power until chapter 13.

      The Beast exists throughout Israel’s history after Solomon the King. Revelation 13, as I mentioned above, is an insert into chronology to give the identity of the Beast meaning.

      Rev14:8 an angel declares that Babylon is fallen, and yet she is not destroyed until chapter 18.

      We left chronology back in Revelation 11:15 with the sounding of the seventh trumpet. The book gives us at least three inserts into chronology that are not a part of the specific chronology of the book (Revelation 12 & 13) and the a general judgment of mystery Babylon (the Jews) in Revelation 14. Revelation 15 & 16 picks up strict chronology with pouring out of the seven last plagues or vials which comprise the blowing of the 7th trumpet. Revelation 17 and 18 offer a more complete explanation of both the judgment and the identity of Mystery Babylon the Great.

      Revelation 19 reveals the Judge and the judgment of his enemies. Revelation 20 reveals that Satan is dead and tells us about a very long time—an age—if you will, described as 1000 years. Does it last 1000 years? I don’t think so, but after this period of time Christ returns and finally destroys the works of the Devil, described here and in the final two chapters.

      So there is a sort’a, kind’a chronology, but there are a lot of tangents and “flash backs” along the way. It is a great book. I don’t have all the answers, but I am working on it. :-)

      Lord bless,

      Ed

       
  3. Erik Brewer

    December 8, 2010 at 00:28

    Let me just say a few things connected to what you have written and not connected. I did not have any preconceived ideas about Daniel and Revelation before studying these 2 prophetic books. I repented when I was 18 and that was when I started studying the Bible systematically according to the Inductive study method, line upon line, precept upon precept. My eyes where opened to the depth of God’s Word and God has truly changed my life.

    I see that you proclaim Christ crucified, buried, and resurrected for our salvation (pardon, emancipation, and eternal redemption) which thrills me. I am glad that we agree on that. I would rather rejoice in what we do agree in than to endlessly debate where we disagree in eschatology. I appreciate your passion and conviction. I have mine as well and I believe that there are bigger and more important hills to die on than this one. We can agree to disagree here.

    As far as the covenant being cut and the wedding happening in the future, I just used that as an example to show how God can give a promise, work on the promise, fulfill part of it and leave the rest for a future date (very distant future). You read into that way too much.

    Tell me about yourself, what you do and what ministry you are involved in. I am a pastor/missionary in Eastern Europe. Do you have a facebook page?

     
    • Eddie

      December 8, 2010 at 09:57

      Greetings Erik,
      First let me say I am so glad to receive this response from you. Most folks who disagree with me label me a heretic, saying I am not a Christian, but I know my Lord and I know my Lord knows me. You are correct about this subject not being important enough to “die” over, but you would be surprised (maybe not) about how important some folks hold it here in the USA. I know a young man who went to a Bible college who didn’t receive his diploma simply because he wouldn’t sign a paper saying he believed in their eschatology.
      About me, I was raised Roman Catholic and very religious—I wanted to become a priest throughout my childhood, but when I discovered girls… well celibacy was not for me! As long as I can remember I’ve loved the Lord, but I know also that I was a sinner. However, I was completely ignorant of my need to be saved—I thought I was saved simply because I was a Roman Catholic. The only thing I can think of that may point to my rebirth in Christ occurred during my tour in the military (Air Force). I responded to an altar call at an evangelistic meeting in the local community. I spoke with the evangelist before the service and told him I would come to the service (he invited me). I said I was not afraid to attend one of his services, but I would not respond to any altar call. When I heard him speak, I felt it would be denying Christ if I stayed in my seat. If this is not the moment of my born-again experience, then I cannot point to that time.
      Later, after my military tour (4 years) I responded to a radio program—Garner Ted Armstrong. I don’t know if you ever heard of him. He is dead now. Anyway, I wrote for free literature and my faith was overcome due to my ignorance. I never thought a “false teacher” would single me out. I spent about six years in that organization and learned a lot about the Old Testament. What was preached about the New Testament was done through the lens of the Mosaic Law.
      In 1974 accusations of corruption were leveled at the headquarters church by some of the local pastors. My pastor was among them. I left the church at that time. Long-story-short, I developed a strong distaste for pastor-teachers. God healed me of this about 10 years later through a young pastor at the church I attend today. Anyway I spent most of my time away from church during those 10 intervening years. I studied on my own and wouldn’t allow anyone to “teach” me except what I would pick out from books or commentaries that I decided was true. When I decided to return to church (although I didn’t really want to go, but I felt strongly that Jesus wanted me to go) I made a vow to God that I would allow no one – no man – to teach me again. If Jesus didn’t teach me in private, I would learn nothing. I conceded that it would be alright, if I knew God was working through the man. I would accept that, but only if I was certain God was using him to teach me. I can see the arrogance there, now, but also the fear. It is a terrible thing to have one’s faith overcome by a man. There are still scars, the reminders of the pain and loneliness.
      Today, I am a Sunday school teacher—have been for about 16 years, about half for the youth and the other half for adults. I stay away, as much as possible, from teachings that differ from my denomination. I promised the pastor I would not make a point of our differences, and to my knowledge, I have been faithful to his request. I love God’s people, which is why I stayed at this church. I didn’t want to stay when I first began attending, but the people were so wonderful, that I couldn’t leave. From time to time I help out with the telephone wiring at church. I used to be a telephone worker, but I’m retired now. I think I wired every phone in church at least once. I am also beginning to “disciple” a young man who is attending college and taking a correspondence course to Moody Bible Institute. He wants to become a minister of God’s word. We meet on Saturday mornings, beginning last week.
      That’s about it. If you respond to my facebook request, you might learn more about me just by watching my wall—perhaps not though. I am not very proficient at using facebook. My daughter helps out from time to time.
      Lord bless,
      Eddie.

       
  4. Erik Brewer

    December 7, 2010 at 00:41

    You have the preconceived idea that it “must” be fulfilled in the 1st century instead of allowing the text to speak. Genesis 1 and 2 are very well ordered so I do not see your connection. Order is extremely important to God, if fact He is the God of order. I am just reading the text as it is, not adding to or taking away as Revelation says. Many of our misunderstandings are easily resolved just by allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture instead of giving our own interpretation. In Daniel 9, only 69 of the 70 weeks are mentioned as being fulfilled. The 70th is left open and it is still open until the temple is rebuilt and the prince from the former Roman Empire comes to make a covenant.

    I am not negating the fact that Christ is in the center of all 6 prophecies, He is, but they have not all been fulfilled yet. It is just like the marriage between Christ and the Church, the covenant was cut on Calvary but the promise will be fulfilled in the future.

     
    • Eddie

      December 7, 2010 at 09:26

      Erik,

      You have the preconceived idea that it “must” be fulfilled in the 1st century instead of allowing the text to speak.

      When I first began studying this prophecy, it was to support the traditional understanding and to see if it was possible to identify something about the end times—could we know the beginning, for example, or if not the beginning of the final seven years, could we know if we were in the end times. Nevertheless, I found out things I have mentioned concerning the specific days of the 70th week that line up with specific dates within Christ’s ministry. I couldn’t deny the obvious fulfillment in his lifetime, and 3 ½ years later when the abomination was set up at the death of Stephen. After seeing these things, I could no longer go back to the traditional point of view. So, my **idea** was not preconceived at all. It was very much a surprise and a delight, I might add.

      Order is extremely important to God, if fact He is the God of order.

      Indeed, God is orderly, but this is not one of his three major characteristics. God is Holy; God is Spirit; God is Love. Love is not necessarily orderly. One doesn’t love by the numbers. Love picks up after the mess of others. There was nothing orderly about how the Jews kept covenant with God, but Love overlooked their disorder. I don’t mean to trifle with you, but God does not necessarily have all things in order in his word just to please those who love chronology. Did you ever try to harmonize the Gospels—now I believe every word found in them, but allowance must be given concerning order to make sense of the true chronology.

      I am just reading the text as it is, not adding to or taking away as Revelation says. Many of our misunderstandings are easily resolved just by allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture instead of giving our own interpretation.

      I’m for that. We agree that this is very important. However, have you ever read this Scripture from the Septuagint, the Bible of the 1st century church?
      Daniel 9:26-27 LXX (26) And after the sixty-two weeks, the Anointed One shall be killed, and there is no judgment in Him. And He shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is to come: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed He shall appoint the city to desolations. (27) And one week shall establish the covenant with many. And in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of the time an end shall be put to the desolation. (emphasis mine)

      Take note that, according to this Jewish understanding of Daniel, he—the Messiah or Anointed One—shall destroy the city and the Temple **with** or by means of a prince that shall come (Titus)! This is in perfect harmony with what Jesus claimed he would do before the high priest just before his crucifixion. After telling what would happen to the city and the Temple, then the word of God says **MY** Sacrifice and Drink Offering will be taken away in the midst of the week. That is Jesus—God’s Sacrifice and Drink Offering—is taken away (crucified) in the midst of the week.

      We do agree that we should first read the text and draw our understanding from it by allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture whenever possible. However, what translation (interpretation) are you reading from?

      In Daniel 9, only 69 of the 70 weeks are mentioned as being fulfilled. The 70th is left open and it is still open until the temple is rebuilt and the prince from the former Roman Empire comes to make a covenant.

      Well, we disagree here, obviously. If you don’t mind telling me, how do you get the conclusion that only 69 weeks are shown to be fulfilled, because, even accounting for the fact that you have a future strong man making a 7 year covenant with the Jews, the text does conclude that Messiah would be “cut off” sometime **after** the 69th week. If the whole 490 years is supposed to point to the coming of the Messiah, why doesn’t any of the 70th week account for his being “cut off”?

      Forgive my ignorance, but how do you account for the rebuilding of the Temple when the text mentions nothing about such an occurrence? How can a prince from the former Roman Empire come to make any kind of covenant? Doesn’t this contradict what Scripture concludes about the dead not having any influence over matters of the living?

      I am not negating the fact that Christ is in the center of all 6 prophecies, He is, but they have not all been fulfilled yet. It is just like the marriage between Christ and the Church, the covenant was cut on Calvary but the promise will be fulfilled in the future.

      We also disagree here as well. It is my understanding that Jesus said the time was fulfilled, and the apostles preached the very same thing. All things were finished, complete, fulfilled. We must repent and believe. As far as the bride of Christ is concerned, this has nothing to do with the 70 Weeks prophecy. Obviously, Christ must return, and when he returns he takes his wife. If all prophecy were kept from completion until this was fulfilled then how could the Messiah ever come at all? The Messiah was prophesied to come and did come in the 1st century, but if **all** prophecy must be incomplete until the wedding is consummated at the return of Christ, then Christ could never have come the first time. This point isn’t logical.

      Lord bless,

      Eddie

       
  5. Erik Brewer

    December 6, 2010 at 23:34

    The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
    He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’
    In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.
    And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

    Several key things I would like to point out. The Romans were the ones who destroyed the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (Temple) in 70A.D. There has not arisen a ruler from the Roman Empire (former Roman Empire) to make a covenant with many (Jews). The temple has not been rebuilt since 70A.D. so that sacrifice and offerings could be brought and then ceased in the middle of the seven (3 1/2). Some claim that it was the general Titus who stopped the offerings while others claim that it was Jesus. These two do not coincide with the clear order of the text. The temple and city will be destroyed. A prince from the nation that destroyed the city and the temple must arise and make a covenant. If you claim that Jesus is the one who makes the covenant then you are out of order, His covenant was made before the destruction of the temple and city. If you claim Titus then the temple was never rebuilt and sacrifices stopped after the destruction of the city and sanctuary brought on by Titus. The only logical conclusion is that there is one more 7 to come with the temple being rebuilt and a covenant made by someone from the former Roman Empire.

     
    • Eddie

      December 7, 2010 at 00:14

      Personally, I believe you are putting too much weight on “order” of the text, especially when we are speaking of only two verses—26 & 27. One could point to many places in the Bible where order is suspended to make a point and then chronology again picks up again. The account of the creation is one, considering chapters 1 & 2. The record of Herod’s slaying John the Baptist is another.

      The fact remains, the seven promises are fulfilled in Jesus. Therefore, our interpretation of the Prophecy **must** find its fulfillment in the 1st century.

      Blessings,

      Eddie

       

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